Speed limits are suggestions. Make a judgment call.



Because large bags of money influence peoples decisions. Like deciding whether the act of giving large bags of money to people in order to influence their decisions should be legal. It's an artifact of representative rather than direct democracy.

Individually hand written and signed letters are actually quite effective tools for ordinary citizens to influence politics. They must be kept by law at the representative's office, and get weighted in their political analysis ~100x that of an email and 10-20x that of a phone call. They are also the most effective tool in the political change/cost ratio.

Especially if you send a lot 'individualized' ones of them from seemingly different people/locations. Not that I condone the manipulation of the democratic process. But it gets things done, and is far cheaper than traditional large bags of money.

Because the core of our government is still constructed of antiquated nearly useless senior citizens who feel they're adept at managing generations that have far outpaced their ability to evolve socially, economically, and every other which way.

Give it about 50 years and most of today's problems will be addressed by a younger set of senior citizens from generation now.

Of course, we'll all be senior citizens or dead by then anyway, but hey, look to the future.

Counterpoint: anyone over 50 is useless.

insert OBJECTION image here.

Woohoo! I just hit my apex.

Someday, and it won't be as far away as I'd like to think, I shall find you and thrash you thoroughly for these impudent words.

1a) I began to decrease when I know the speed is going to change.
IE:) Going from my house to town (a 2mile trip) the speed limit goes from 55mph to 30mph w/ only a sign that says the speed limit ahead is going to drop to 30. At that sign, I remove the foot from the gas, and @30yards to the 30MPH sign, I brake to finish bringing me down.
And usually I slow even farther down as the "city" limit is at a train track and I don't want to bottom out/go air born.

1b)I usually don't speed up until I'm about 30yards away from the new speed limit sign.

iirc, the Speed Limit is from Sign to Sign.
If I'm doing 55 because in 100yards the new sign says I can, but I'm still in a 30/45 Speed zone I can get a ticket (and in the towns around me, this is how most of the cops get you. Either coming into or out of the towns to fast).

2) I dunno. America is cool like that?

When seeing a speed limit to slow me down, I used to just take my foot off the gas and coast into the new speed limit. That was until I was fined 3 points on my driving license for not slowing down quickly enough passing from 60 to 30 miles an hour I'm sure the police had better things to do ....

Now I brake when I see a limit slowing me down and I speed up after a sign showing an increase.



No idea. I'm not American, sorry.



Edited, Nov 3rd 2009 8:16pm by GwynapNud

1) Slow down beforehand, at least here as it's the law. We have signs with the new speed limit and an arrow pointing ahead so that people know there's a new, lower limit approaching and that you're supposed to be down to that limit by the time you hit that sign.

2) Money speaks loudly, my dearest

I do get the point of the argument and I'm saying that I disagree. They aren't that old. And they aren't "set in their ways." They are operating in a system where corporations and various interests are far too invested in controlling politics. I've heard long-time congresspeople actually complain about how the character of the congress has done nothing but change in the last 30 years and lobbying groups have become more powerful.

And again, what is it about people who think that anyone who disagrees "miss the point of their argument?"

Edited, Nov 3rd 2009 3:45pm by Annabella

Because you continue to miss the point? My statement was less about the age and potential age group classification of congress and more about calling them old @#%^ers for the sake of calling them old @#%^ers. Debate how "old" you think they are all you want. I was just flinging poo. That's what I meant when I said you mistake the point of the argument just so you'll have something to argue about.

That would've answered my next question.

I also heard on NPR last night that orange roughy live to be 150 years old, and they don't reach sexual maturity until age 30. And we're depleting their numbers.

That made me sad, 'cause I recently had orange roughy for the first time and I really, really liked it. But now I feel guilty about eating it.

In before 'slippery slope' argument.

I usually try to accelerate/decelerate so as to be going the posted speed by the time I pass the sign. Of course, it all depends on the proximity of patrol cars and how late I am for work...


Umm...


That said, if it's a truly big issue for you, get involved. Write your congressperson, get involved in local campaigns, hand out pamphlets... Make the issue visible. Don't let it get swept under the rug. Make yourself heard. Even if you don't succeed, at least you tried.

Sadly just nodded my head and rolled eyes to Ugly (not that I would ever do the whole nod head and roll eyes thing to Ugly actually, unless I felt like it was deserved, but doubtful I could get a lobby to agree with me...).

#1. I just go the number on my radio. Is that wrong? I don't get out much. My 1.5yr old car only has 4k miles on it (I rolled 4k driving the mile to and from the new house I am moving into).

The speed isn't posted in my area (I bitched since my kids cross the road to their school). I figure all of the other parents are listening to Peter, Paul and Mary on channel 88.8, just like I do.


#2. I don't know much about lobbies.

Here is the lobby on a busy day at the court house in my town.

Then it got busier.

So Bel, my love (I miss you, but that is another thread), Lobbies piss me off bcz when they are THAT busy it takes FOREVER for them to get to your case. Or am I completely OT from the OT?

#3. The tree in Pocahontas was freaking old. Or was that Fern Gully? They both bored me to death so I only saw them once.

See, I think we should grow them all staggered like so thst every harvest, there is a new crop of older oranges to harvest. If there is one thing I enjoy, it is eating something sexually mature.


/wave most ladies of the OOT[:glare:]

From Pauly Shore exposure.

Normally I change speeds when I see a sign. However it makes me angry when the speed limit changes on the same road constantly, which actually has no actual effect on anything except my mood, and maybe the life of others around me.



Money and power somehow makes you important, and important people talk to other important people. My mom said I was important once. I guess she lied.


They might, but for some people Elvis might still be alive and we never landed on the moon.

You almost had it.